About me using other guys (apology inside)

[headhunter]

I just thought I'd put this out there right now, since I know there's a couple people who don't agree with my decision to use other guys for my own benefit, and guys, the reason I used Ganon to build up Kraven is because there really was no other established vet of the past to put him over, I said it before in the other thread, you need to have stars in order to make new ones, and I wish there was someone else to fill in for Kraven to face at SS, and sadly, there wasn't. Yeah, I'll admit, bringing him back to have more matches with Headhunter and Kraven was unnecessary on my part, and maybe I shouldn't have done that, and for that, I apologize, and if it makes you guys feel any better, all the matches with Ganon never happened (gotta love how you can rewrite history being that this is an efed), the whole storyline with Kraven and Ganon (which admittedly was a ripoff of the Judas Mesias/Abyss or Undertaker/Kane storyline) never happened, the entire Black Dawn storyline, and all history with Kraven has been wipped out (I never actually used him much, anyway), and hell, the entire Elements of Destruction tag team formation has been scrapped, and Kraven and Freeze are released (I didn't have much else planned for Freeze apart from the EoD angle, anyway), and with that being said, I guess you can say the match with Collaso at Annihilation never happened, either, I'll get around to deleting those matches sometime soon, in the meantime, I thought I'd put this out there right now... I'm sorry, I won't use any guys who are no longer with us, anymore, and a part of me still wants to contribute. I still have a little bit of passion for IMDbWE left (but then again, it all depends on how the rebuilding process goes), please don't make me change my mind, by making me leave, you'll have 1 less veteran to put the new guys over in the future and make new stars (which we've already lost several other vets as it is), remember that.

[Rachel M Elly]

I forgive you, even though I never really said anything before about this, lol.

[headhunter]

Yeah, to put it bluntly, it was one thing for me to use Ganon to have one match with Kraven, a Loser Leaves IMDbWE (Retirement) Match at SS 07, and wrap it up there, but bringing him back to have more matches and put both of my guys over more times after that was an entirely different thing, and maybe it was wrong for me to do that (but I stand by my point about the usage of D-Day and Collaso being justified because, unlike Ganon, they actually WERE on the roster, and they never said not to use these guys while they were away, if they would've said "don't use this guy" or "don't use that guy", I never would have), and I swear, it won't happen again with any guys who are no longer with us, all I ask for is another chance, don't let it go to waste, like I said earlier, that's just one less opportunity for the newer guys to get over if you do.

[Nightmare13]

I forgive you too even though I never said anything.lol

[headhunter]

Cool cool, oh, and one other thing I'd like to put out there, just to clarify...

No, I don't think I should get the IMDbWE title back, even though Spawn has been stripped of it, let's just be real about that right now.

[jd147]

Whatever, dude. Forgive and forget.

[tauros6]

I think the big thing was just you running through the major roster for only your benefit. I'll be the first to admit, I was going to use Macarther to face Hernandez, but I was going to try to rebuild both men in the process, give a special match at the big PPV, and then probably put someone over with Hernandez after NOC. I mean, look at Hamilton, I could have used Ganon to help him get over, but I didn't, I instead feuded with already over guys and having strong feuds, so even in losing, he still looks strong. When Kraven just runs through a legendary monster like Ganon at every point and retains a huge-ass winning streak, it looks kind of pointkless and dickish, to be honest, no offense.

I also use people who don't say not to use their characters. It was even in the rules, I think, if you don't say not to use 'em, then we're free to do so, sucker. In fact, I wanted to use Tank & LPF for the Night of Champions this year. But it was never for my gain, rather to strengthen the PPV or strengthen the roster as a whole.

But, not caring much about it in the first place, whatever. I'm not the one who brings that up, although I find it funny how one comment from a guest called "Big Mouth" set off this firestorm.

[headhunter]

Well, in all fairness, I did use these other guys and make them look the best I could while still putting mine over. I even had Headhunter job clean to Collaso on BZ via pinfall, which set the stage for their IMDbWE title match at the Gauntlet, which that match ended up being really close with Headhunter barely coming out on top (2-1 in a 30 minute Iron Man Match). I even returned the favor by having him face Collaso again before Annihilation and Collaso winning by DQ in spite of my feud with Spawn, so I don't think I damaged Collaso too badly. D-Day, maybe, but again, just like with Ganon, it was all a matter of making due with whatever stars, past or present, we had to build one of my less developed guys up (and all the other newer talents for that matter). Now, if they would've said not to use them while they were away, I would've had to find some other way to build him up, like having him beat uncontrolleds/jobbers, or whatever, but since there was only so much starpower left on the roster because of all the guys who left us a year or so back, I had to go with the #1 rule of thumb: if you can, do it. Infact, that's just the thing: if you're going away and you don't want other people using your guys while you're gone, you should tell us first before you go. Otherwise, people might use them whenever they want, however they want, since they'll think it's okay with them if they use their guys. If I were leaving, I would've clearly said "don't use my guys", which I did at first when I decided that I was leaving, but then I decided that I may stick around after all depending on how the rebuilding goes.

And the reason I brought Ganon back was because, well, honestly, that BZ match with Headhunter was just a way to rekindle the Kraven feud and have more matches between the 2 (since Kraven came out and attacked Ganon after the match), but I'll give you this: I didn't have to make Ganon job cleanly to Headhunter in order to make that happen, I could've done it some other way without forcing Ganon to job cleanly to somebody like in a match. Of course, this all goes back to Ganon (the real Ganon, as in the IMDb user) trying to hold me back and bury me in our feud at NHB 07 a while back (which BTW, the only reason he dropped his National Title to me on the next BZ was because he was leaving, he even said so in a PM, had he chose to stick around, I never would've gotten the National belt and our last match would've been at NHB where he tried to completely bury Headhunter, which pissed me off), but that still didn't give me the right to do that, and I sincerely apologize for that. I let my ego run wild while writing that match, and for that reason, I'm not even going to acknowledge that the match(es) ever happened (since this is a cyber/fake fed [efed], you can erase/edit history like that, just like Brent deleted our first match at HH over creative disagreements between us, which admittedly was both our faults, but it's a long story). Besides, it's not like they were complete bury jobs because, in all of those matches, I made sure the guys I was using looked good and even let them go by in a few of those matches without a loss (as in, they ended in either a No Contest, a DQ win for them or hell, a clean pinfall victory for them, case in point: Collaso on BZ to earn #1 contendership for the IMDbWE title at the Gauntlet), and I at least gave Ganon the satisfaction of having the 2nd match with Kraven end in a No Contest after he speared them both through the burning ropes and caused them to both catch on fire at the same time in that Inferno match, then I was gonna have their 3rd match be at the Royal Battle in an Altar Crypt match (new type of gimmick match I made for Kraven's character), which is a casket/buried alive variation with an altar and a tomb, to be won by Kraven, possibly with interference from the Black Dawn. I could've also made it a Lynch Match and had Kraven win that and thus, end Ganon's Lynch Match streak in the process, but I knew there was no way I'd feel good about myself destroying Ganon's legacy right behind his back like that, and that that was a definite no no, whether he said not to use his guy right before he left or not. Making him job in my own type of match is one thing, making him give up his prized Lynch Match streak is quite another.

Although, Tauros, and I thought I'd add this because I don't think anyone else knows about this, about our match at Rebel Yell, I did offer to retain via interference from Cage and Hamilton, which would've kept both my title reign and your feud as well as Hernandez's credibility alive, which would've been a win-win for both of us, hardly an "ego trip", if you will, but then you countered my offer and said that I could win the match cleanly and have them attack Hernandez afterwards, so it's not like I readily decided to retain cleanly against Hernandez right from the get go, which I honestly felt I shouldn't have at the time, since you've admittedly done more for this efed than me. Maybe you felt I should've gotten the win cleanly, but I didn't.

Bottom line: I won't use other people's guys while they're gone, anymore, but if you're leaving and don't want your guys to be used while you're away, please say so before you go (hey, that rhymes), otherwise, we'll think it's okay with you if we use them and we just might as a result since hell, I'm not the only one whose done so. Tauros also used D-Day with B2BS not here to put Cage over on BZ, no complaints there, but still, it's a fact.

[Nightmare13]

I really don't wanna get into this so....carry on...

[tauros6]

Oh no, I didn't mind losing cleanly to Headhunter. I was his first opponent after winning the title, and thought the champion needed to really get over in his first title match, so I offered to job cleanly, knowing that I could probably get back over in my own feud anyway. That was purely about getting the title over, even if that meant a clean loss. Sacrificing a bit of your credibility for the greater good of the fed is worth it. And by rebuilding Macarther & Hernandez, I meant keeping them at the main event level.

And yeah, I used D-Day, and that was a bit of a dickish move on my part. Don't know why, I kinda wanted Cage to get over, as he'd been a jobber for a while.

[headhunter]

I don't see any problem with you using D-Day as long as you make him look good because, again, there's only so many vets left to put the newer guys over, so you use whatever you can to get him over, build him up, whatever, even if it means using one of the other guys while the people who controll(ed) them are away (provided they make no mention that they don't want them being used while they're gone). Now, if B2BS told us not to use D-Day while he was gone, yet you went ahead and used him anyway, that would be what you'd call "dickish".

[headhunter]

Infact, I had plans to start a feud with one of the newer guys to build him up and put over, but since we're scrapping No Holds Barred, it's either gonna happen a little differently than as planned or it won't happen at all (though I would hate for it to not happen). I won't give away too much here, but if anyone wants to know exactly what these plans were, you can ask me via PM.

Oh, and *BUMP* (I just had to do both, LOL)

EDIT: And Tauros, maybe it would've been better title reign wise for you to do the job cleanly, but it would seem like an ego trip on my part for Headhunter to beat Hernandez clean (when infact, it wasn't even my idea to have a clean finish), so that's why I didn't think I should've won cleanly at Rebel Yell and retained. Normally, most people would say that, in a match between those 2, either Hernandez should get the win or Hernandez should lose, but get a rematch later on and win that.